Sounds of SAND is a podcast from Science and Nonduality which contemplates and reveres the beauty, complexity, pain, and great mystery that weave the infinite cycles of existence.

We explore beyond ultimate truths, binary thinking, and individual awakening while acknowledging humanity as a mere part of the intricate web of life.

Episodes tap into SAND’s rich history and collaborative future by presenting talks, dialogs, interviews, readings, music, and recordings from SAND Conferences, events, and webinars weaving timeless wisdom and embodied experience.

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Today on the podcast we welcome two special guests Science and Nonduality co-founders Zaya and Maurizio Benazzo.

Zaya and Maurizio are both film-makers and activists. They merged their lifelong passions for science and mysticism when they met in 2007, and their first project together was filming the documentary Rays of the Absolute on the life and teachings of Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj.

This project sparked their next level of creation and collaboration: SAND, a global community inspired by the timeless wisdom traditions, informed by modern science, and grounded in direct experience.

In 2021 they released the acclaimed documentary The Wisdom of Trauma featuring Dr. Gabor Maté. And for the past year they have been traveling the globe working on their next documentary about indigenous cultures, resilience, and an expansion of what is meant by Nonduality and Science, all today on the Sounds of SAND Podcast.


0:00 – Introduction
3:09 – The Wisdom of Trauma
11:16 – Exploring at the Edge
14:34 – Genesis of the Next Film
19:06 – Expansion of Nonduality
22:04 – New Paradigms of Healing
25:54 – Expansion of Science
30:24 – Transformations
34:50 – Learning to Listen
44:28 – The Tree and the Whale
56:30 – What’s Next with the Film?

Science and Nonduality is a community inspired by timeless wisdom, informed by cutting-edge science, and grounded in direct experience. We come together in an open-hearted exploration while celebrating our humanity.


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